Posts by Old Navy

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Blood Transfusions are Biblically Supported

by allpoweredup in

to jehovah's witnesses elders: blood transfusions are biblically supported: acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 samuel 14:32-5 says saul's army ate unbled meat to not starve and no verses show god not forgiving them.

christ says god also forgave david's eating temple holy bread to survive and that god wants mercy not sacrifice.

(mt 12) the may 22, 1994 awake tells of 26 jehovah's witness kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org.

Old Navy

Here is a very comprehensive article about The Law and Blood.

Quote from the article:

It is still true that blood is sacred; Jesus died to save us from our sins, and his blood is spoken of throughout the NT as vital and sacred. The REAL question is, is the eating of blood still to be equated with profaning life? Not in most modern cases of incidental consumption of blood. Furthermore, does the usage of blood as a vehicle of saving lives (as in blood transfusions) at the same time constitute a profanation of life, or a respect for life? The answer should be obvious.
It also must be clarified that transfusing blood is not the same as eating blood. The WT confuses the issue by pointing out that blood acts as a kind of "food" in transfusions (see Blood, Medicine and the Law of God, pages 17,18), whereas the REAL issue they should be concerned with is whether or not the use of blood to save a life is profaning it. Such is certainly not the case when a person is dying, and a blood transfusion may save their life.
It is important to note that orthodox Jews today, while STILL OBEYING the OT laws against the eating of blood, believe there is nothing wrong with taking a blood transfusion. Even the legalistic Jewish mind does not make such a connection, yet the Governing Body of the WT forces this interpretation on their people.

Much more at the link above.

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Did you ever hear ".... we are here to Educate the Sheep, not Entertain the Goats"

by Lostandfound in

and what other verbal nonsense did you ever hear as a one-liner to defend / promote 'the truth'.

Old Navy

Quote from Punk of Nice:

... they're just not willing to stop practising sin

Let us hope that Practice makes Perfect! Lookin' for a Hot Time in the Old Hall Tonight!

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Your View Of Death How Much Does It Effect The Way You Look At The World Around You?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

lets face it the watchtower's indoctrinations effect the way we look at the world we see governments as tool of the devil.

we look at our relatives different, we will not speak to our own children if disfellowshipped.. a better world is what christians promise believers, or hell for those condemned by the deity.

kiss the ass of the deity and go to a better world, and don't forget to put something in the collection plate on sunday.. to face death with out the crutch of a future better world for beleivers, is better, as you can cherish the life you are living and be more in the present while facing what ever life throws at you.

Old Navy

What is the healthy view of life and death? Most it seems love life and are sad that our present lives are limited and will end in death. When our friends and loved ones depart in death it is a time of sadness and grief.

WT teaches that some will experience a "permanent" death or a death without resurrection. This is, of course, not a truthful teaching as The Word tells us otherwise. The WTBorg Cult Inc. also teaches that the Lake of Fire will be an instrument of extermination and that those who experience it will also be exterminated or destroyed forevermore. This too is an un-scriptural teaching which no doubt originates with that segment of Christendom which teaches Hell and Hellfire.

"The Truth" is riddled with false doctrine and teaches a "Good News of the Kingdom" which in "truth" is not good news at all. Fortunately, The Word does reveal a Really Good News which is gradually becoming known among those who are fervently seeking Truth. All will be saved; not a single soul will be lost. There is more to the story but the Truth about Death is very encouraging.

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Bethel Lurkers-A woman's Heartfelt phonecall regarding the organisations inhumane shunning policy!

by UnshackleTheChains in

i hope bethel lurkers at warwick listen to the rational viewpoint of this australian woman in the recording below.

she virtually pleads with an australian branch member as to the reasons why shunning is inhumane and how unfair it is that individuals are being held captive within the watchtower organisation.

they can't simply leave officially without the threat of being shunned by friends and family members.. typically, the branch member responds in a robotic like manner, sticking rigidly to watchtower policy.. https://youtu.be/sc_t60ax5k8.

Old Navy

Quote from Confused a lot:

If you have the truth, and Gods holy spirit you should not fear any information that is contrary to your own. You should not fear your members being exposed to false information, you should not fear members being exposed to apostates or ex members or worldly people, because the truth and spirit will always win. This is truth and love: Not being afraid!
Yet the GB tries to keep itself and its members isolated and controlled, under the pretense it is to keep them pure, while back at the ranch its because they know their lies will be exposed, and in their hearts they know their darkness wont survive in the light.

You've said that well; I'm sure that all exJws would agree. What puzzles me is that so few exJws go the additional step to finalize the statement; admitting that the WTBorg Cult Inc. does not serve the Almighty One but rather, serves The Adversary aka Satan the Devil.

Perhaps even after waking up the residual fears are so powerful that they prevent voicing the logical conclusion which is indeed scriptural.

The WTBorg Cult Inc. is truly a Satanic Cult. That is TTATT.

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Shocking news

by Confusedalot in

i recently posted about what would happen if my mom got sick,seeing that i'm apostate.

even today i posted on a thread about blood transfusions.. i just received a text from my brother saying that my mom is in hospital and requires a transfusion to survive....is this a coincidence?.

am i being punished by jehovah, or is the devil out to get me...i dont know anymore what to do.... things are getting too much, guess i should not have joked so much in my posts..

Old Navy

So, will your Mother receive the transfusion she needs to overcome this illness? Or, will it be denied her for "religious" reasons?

Somehow, putting blood into the human body where it actually belongs just doesn't seem wrong. The body itself makes blood and infuses it into the circulatory system. Therefore, a transfusion is simply an external method of duplicating what the body does naturally, albeit at a much accelerated pace.

In order to "eat" blood we'd have to take it in through our mouths. Which is precisely what Satanists do when drinking the blood of animal/human sacrifice victims. That is wrong.

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JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

by minimus in

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isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

Old Navy

Quote from _Morpheus:

about ten years ago DO’s (when the org still had DO’s) were giving a talk that said, and you just cant make this nonsense up, that even when the GB is wrong they are right. Yep. You heard me. Even when wrong they are right because they are gods representatives. I think it end up being in a study article also... it was surreal

Upon hearing such a "whopper" the normal, rational, thinking unimpaired student would recoil in horror.

The Father of the Lie is back in town...

Isn't it rather amazing how the Cult can sell such stupidity?

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1 hour 14 minute ph call from coordinator last night ?

by Chook in

i didn't recognise his number , cordial talk for 2 minutes then what can i say , the chook rose to the occasion.

i will relay main points but the order is not necessarily correct.

he wants to visit with an other elder ( i live in two states 2/3 of time in a new house in their territory, but they don't know address yet ).

Old Navy

Or, one could repeat that great line that the Son of Man used with Peter.

After all, they truly are doing Satan's works...

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Escaping from the YHWH/JESUS prison

by fulltimestudent in

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a poster recently inferred that i was never a jw, but was only on this site to spread a 'political' dogma.

not true!.

anyway, cleaning up some old files this morning, i found an old 'story of life' post that i made (i think) on another xjw site.

Old Navy

The WTBorg Cult Inc. is a very cleverly constructed Front Organization for none other than the Father of the Lie. Those who are ensnared by the Cult are led to believe that they are serving the Forces of Good but, in "truth," are doing the works of the Adversary who quite skillfully presents himself as an Angel of Light.

The Men who make the rules have been thoroughly deceived and corrupted. It is sad that their lies are believed by so many...

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Oh this stoopid shunning thing!!

by Unstuck in

warning - vent ahead....... so, my father (still very much in jw but who has at least had the decency to still keep in contact with me and hubby and to show interest in why we aren't attending and respect where we are at) is in intensive care at a local hospital and is intubated and sedated with some serious health issues.

i'm next of kin so i get all the phone calls from the hospital.. so, the rest of the "family" has cut me off because we are inactive and because the ever-active jw gossip grapevine has rumoured with a sibilant slithy hissy voice: "apossstassssy" is the cause of our inactivity.. whatever.. but now i've had to contact said "family" with the news about my father and what is going on....... so, dad's sisters answer my calls and manage to act and conduct themselves with a degree of decorum.. my sister on the other hand - well, she doesn't deign to answer my calls and texts for most of the day.

i push the issue tonight and insist on speaking to her when my brother-in-law answers the call.

Old Navy

Once we come to the truthful realization that those who are PIMI the WTBorg Cult Inc., are in fact Worshipers of Old Satan himself, then the shunning isn't quite so painful. We can actually feel pity for their sorry state of deceived thinking and actions. There will surely come a time, yet future, when they will be made to see the error of their ways and repent. In the meantime treat them with loving kindness. Plant your seeds in a good way...

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1 John 5:13-20 Jesus is the true God?

by NikL in

one of the main things i am trying to wrap my head around after waking up to the nonsense of jw.org is the deity of christ.. jws go out of their way to ignore him, it seems to me.

they make him out to be an angel or something.

yet, if one simply reads the scriptures, you get an entirely different picture.. doing some bible reading this morning i accidentally (long story) read the latter part of 1 john 5 and it's good stuff.. after reading it in the niv i read it in nwt and it is still pretty amazing even in that abomination of a translation.. it says.... 13 i write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the son of god.

Old Navy

He told us who he was while on Earth.

He is the Son of his Father.

That the Son of God would be like the Almighty One seems reasonable.

Weren't we in the Physical Realm created because the Son wanted us?